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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10827&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Good morning Christine. It’s a lovely little structure in a tranquil spot. At first it seems very small, but then you realise that with the Belvedere as a backdrop the scale is just right. It must be a wonderful spot to rest if taking on the national trail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10827">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Good morning Christine. It’s a lovely little structure in a tranquil spot. At first it seems very small, but then you realise that with the Belvedere as a backdrop the scale is just right. It must be a wonderful spot to rest if taking on the national trail.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A sad tale.  But I do like the Monumenta Romana.  Very pleasing - and it shows it is possible to be both useful and a folly!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sad tale.  But I do like the Monumenta Romana.  Very pleasing &#8211; and it shows it is possible to be both useful and a folly!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10804&quot;&gt;Gwyn Headley&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Gwyn. It&#039;s certainly large, but I&#039;d describe it as awkward rather than ugly - I think it has a certain charm. But I have to agree that it is hard to see where its future lies. It&#039;s very sad that opportunities were missed all those years ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10804">Gwyn Headley</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Gwyn. It&#8217;s certainly large, but I&#8217;d describe it as awkward rather than ugly &#8211; I think it has a certain charm. But I have to agree that it is hard to see where its future lies. It&#8217;s very sad that opportunities were missed all those years ago.</p>
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		By: Gwyn Headley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember visiting the site with Vernon Gibberd in the 1990s. There was a ladder to the first floor window which I was far too cowardly to climb, but Plumridge ascended it with aplomb and so has seen the inside, which I haven&#039;t. It is a very large and very ugly building and sadly I see little hope for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember visiting the site with Vernon Gibberd in the 1990s. There was a ladder to the first floor window which I was far too cowardly to climb, but Plumridge ascended it with aplomb and so has seen the inside, which I haven&#8217;t. It is a very large and very ugly building and sadly I see little hope for it.</p>
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		<link>https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10792</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2023 16:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10791&quot;&gt;Professor Stephen bann CBE FBA FSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello and thank you for getting in touch. I am very interested to learn about your book, and I will try to find a copy. The Belvedere must have offered a wonderful panorama. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the historical site that would have been visible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10791">Professor Stephen bann CBE FBA FSA</a>.</p>
<p>Hello and thank you for getting in touch. I am very interested to learn about your book, and I will try to find a copy. The Belvedere must have offered a wonderful panorama. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the historical site that would have been visible.</p>
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		By: Professor Stephen bann CBE FBA FSA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Professor Stephen bann CBE FBA FSA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2023 16:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10788&quot;&gt;Roger White&lt;/a&gt;.

You may be interested that the Waldershare Belvedere was prominently featured in the artists&#039; book EMINENT VIEWS (1995) by Bob Chaplin and myself where it precedes  other examples such as the Hoober Stand at Wentworth Woodhouse and elevated sites in the United States such as Olana and Monticello. I also wrote an essay entitled &#039;Mould, Rubble, and the Validation of the Fragment in the Discourse of the Past&#039; in Neville and Villeneuve, Waste-Site Stories (State University of New York Press, 2002, pp. 133-42) where I also illustrate a fragment of chalk from the workings of the Channel Tunnel My view would be that the Belvedere was not intended to view France, but &#039;the Kentish coast at the site where the Romans and St Augustine, in their turn, first landed&#039; (ibid., p. 137).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10788">Roger White</a>.</p>
<p>You may be interested that the Waldershare Belvedere was prominently featured in the artists&#8217; book EMINENT VIEWS (1995) by Bob Chaplin and myself where it precedes  other examples such as the Hoober Stand at Wentworth Woodhouse and elevated sites in the United States such as Olana and Monticello. I also wrote an essay entitled &#8216;Mould, Rubble, and the Validation of the Fragment in the Discourse of the Past&#8217; in Neville and Villeneuve, Waste-Site Stories (State University of New York Press, 2002, pp. 133-42) where I also illustrate a fragment of chalk from the workings of the Channel Tunnel My view would be that the Belvedere was not intended to view France, but &#8216;the Kentish coast at the site where the Romans and St Augustine, in their turn, first landed&#8217; (ibid., p. 137).</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10788&quot;&gt;Roger White&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Roger. Thanks for adding to the story. Another opportunity missed, sadly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10788">Roger White</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Roger. Thanks for adding to the story. Another opportunity missed, sadly.</p>
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		By: Roger White		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2023 10:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back in the 1980s John Sambrook, a talented draughtsman in the GLC Historic Buildings Division, felt that the way to save the building was to convert it into a residence for his wife and daughter. He was prepared to do this with his own money, largely funded by selling his house in London, and entered into negotiations with the Waldershare Estate. Unfortunately the Estate, as I recall, though willing to let John go ahead and take the building off their hands, would only grant a lease for his lifetime, which meant that when he died the restored building would revert to the Estate, leaving his dependants homeless and penniless. Inevitably the project foundered on that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the 1980s John Sambrook, a talented draughtsman in the GLC Historic Buildings Division, felt that the way to save the building was to convert it into a residence for his wife and daughter. He was prepared to do this with his own money, largely funded by selling his house in London, and entered into negotiations with the Waldershare Estate. Unfortunately the Estate, as I recall, though willing to let John go ahead and take the building off their hands, would only grant a lease for his lifetime, which meant that when he died the restored building would revert to the Estate, leaving his dependants homeless and penniless. Inevitably the project foundered on that.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2023 08:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10785&quot;&gt;Kate Dyson&lt;/a&gt;.

Good morning Kate. I’m pleased you enjoyed reading about these two structures. Sadly I think the main obstacle to the restoration of the Belvedere is ££££££. It would be wonderful to see it restored and used.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thefollyflaneuse.com/monumenta-romana-and-the-belvedere-waldeshare-kent/#comment-10785">Kate Dyson</a>.</p>
<p>Good morning Kate. I’m pleased you enjoyed reading about these two structures. Sadly I think the main obstacle to the restoration of the Belvedere is ££££££. It would be wonderful to see it restored and used.</p>
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		By: Kate Dyson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2023 08:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As usual - a fascinating tale. It looks a perfect project for the Landmark Trust. Maybe access across privately owned land is tricky? That might prevent restoration projects 
Kate]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual &#8211; a fascinating tale. It looks a perfect project for the Landmark Trust. Maybe access across privately owned land is tricky? That might prevent restoration projects<br />
Kate</p>
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